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   Posted 9/3/2005 9:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
New to post up, 777Rock has very solid foundations and longtime presence in the credit business.
 
One of the very few new shops highly respected bookmakers vouch for.
 
Welcome to TOW Forum guys jumpin
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   Posted 9/3/2005 10:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
welcome to TOW 777, i've heard some good things as of late about your book from spider :)


a good capper is only as good as his info.

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   Posted 9/3/2005 12:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tow nailed it with these guys. they are new to postup, but have been around for a while as a credit shop and have an EXCELLENT Reputation. These guys don't have one of those crazy business models that gives the house away, so they will be around for a long time in my opinion. They have nice limits, and no intention of booting players for winning. I have been playing there for a couple weeks now and am very impressed with them so far!~
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   Posted 9/3/2005 1:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
will be trying them out soon
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   Posted 9/3/2005 3:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Funny shit. The good old 'been around on the credit side for 112 years and now getting into post-up' spiel. So much for Roberto only taking 'top-tier' books, I guess. Has this book even been open a month. Maybe they're fine, but Roberto REALLY needs to stop lecturing others about taking books that aren't established.
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   Posted 9/3/2005 4:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
kosar,

first of all thank you for the opportunity to disagree with you.

My major concern when I rate a book is players funds safety. This is even amplified when I have to make the decision to accept ad dollars and provide exposure. In our highly unregulated environment you can either ensure that a book has sufficent means by having them utilize audit instruments or you have to rely on information and recommendation major bookmakers provide on a specific operation.

Allow me to mention an example. I promoted BCN Sports because I knew they had an audited separate players escrow. I felt VERY uncomfortable when they cancelled valid props and not only took them down, but warned TOW readers and made sure to assign them a rating that would hardly entice punters to play there.

Even in such negative scenario the book (BCN) has continued to pay its remaining customers flawlessly. The minute I learned they had dropped the audited escrow program I issued a second warning. At this time I have no reports of slow pay / no pay and I have direct knowledge that players referred there by TheOffshoreWire have been paid.

In the case of our new advertiser 777rock there is no such thing as an audited escrow account. For this simple reason I have done an even more thourough investigation on them. TOP bookmakers have expressed very positive opinions about their ownership and their bookmaker. Not only: 777rock has book to book transfers with many respected books. This, as you are aware, is a positive sign.

They are aware I will be closely monitoring their performance, more frequently than other more established operations.

As I said: I seriously doubt you can mention other watchdogs that not only give so much importance to players funds safety, but that have been as proactive as TheOffshoreWire has been in ensuring that players get paid, even when this means having to fight with governments.

To date I have gotten over 600 players paid somewhere in the neighborood of 1,5 Mil.

I always hope players will no longer need this kind of assistance because books they play at will never slow pay them or worse. I doubt this will ever happen with ANY of TOW and TOW Forum sponsors and, even in that unlikely scenario, rest assured I will not turn my back to players.

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   Posted 9/3/2005 5:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The MAIN guy behind 777ROCK goes by scott and "***." 
 
He was also one of the partners behind ASAP but left BEFORE there were problems over there...
 
As some of you may or may not know, ASAP is now under CRIS'S umbrella, so all is well with ASAP again... 
 
I believe that scott is very strong financially and even though 777ROCK is a NEW sports book, scott is anything but new to the sports betting industry...
 
My 2 cents...
 
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   Posted 9/3/2005 5:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
shrink,

im playing there and like it so far, do you have an account with them?
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   Posted 9/3/2005 5:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

RPM,

I also have an account with them...

Hope to kick their butts...jumpin

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   Posted 9/3/2005 7:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Roberto,

Thanks for your resume' and i'm glad I gave you the opportunity to puff up. No portal owner goes into a relationship with the intent of having their members get screwed. My point is pretty simple. It's hypocritical to continually look down your nose and lecture everybody else about taking unproven books when you do the same. Or how about taking books that harass the shit out of you on the phone? You know which one i'm talking about that you have here.

Shrink,

Being a former ASAP partner is hardly an endorsement. Also, we know how a lot of these 'stand up guys' and guys with 'deep pockets,' who try the jump from credit to post-up turn out. Don't we? All i'm saying is that you guys need to get off of your high horse, because Roberto is already contradicting himself and i'll give you a month or two.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 5:48 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
GL to 777rock.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 10:23 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Everyone has an agenda, or you don't exist.  In addition, everyone has to make adjustments along the linear path of the time/space continuum.  Ala Shrink, ala Roberto, John...  even myself.  No one has a spotless history void of mistakes.  When considering these realities of existence as well as the fact that this "West of the Atlantic" world of betting on sports via unragulated entities, the best solution currently available is sites like TOW, SBR and the emerging EOG.

Now to the point.  There is no guaranteed consumer protection.  And there are three worlds that merge in the haze of these scenarios, credit, post up and hybrids.  John, Ken and Roberto have immersed themselves into these three worlds and have forged relationships which result in the gathering of 'pretty right on' accurate entity assesments.   When one combines this scenario with the fact that players want to pay the best price for a financial instrument (a bet in this case) then widening one's options supports the achievement of this goal. 

Clearly in the case of 777ROCK, a pretty damn good history noted by insiders the industry can trust by far more than any others available at this time suggests having an account at 777ROCK to not only be safe, but expands one's options.  What seems to be missed here (or avoided) is the fact that this isn't a new entity at all whatsoever and in fact it can be pretty easily concluded that this entity has been in the league of the elite (or at least the immediate fringe) for quite some time, albeit not so well known by the general public. Thus the widening to Post Up and the advertising on respected sites.

And when considering this book it makes even more sense to have an account with this organization than some of the mega marketing machines/psuedo book pretenders as bookmakers who have been in the credit game for years, that have the respect of their peers and are given the thumbs up by the best watchdog organizations our biz currently hosts, then I would either give them a shot in addition to my other books or may simply empty out the book lowest on my list to give them a shot.

The anti-comments here sound emotional and suggest history and/or agenda.  Is someone threatened?  Is a potential market-share-gathering newcomer ruffling someone's feathers?  The only way this biz evolves is through the effect of competition.  Something tells me that the anti-comments are more fear based or personality based than valid.

TOW's founder has a colorful and eventful history as it relates to our industry.  In fact, no one could derive more reasons to paint this personality in some "evil" light than myself.  But then, maybe I would be faced with holding a mirror up to myself as well.  Which, in fact... has been done and positive changes have been coming forth.  For this very reason, I have made it a personal goal to develop in all lines of being and in that process I am constantly maintaining an open mind about others.  TOW has emerged as the very most solid and upstanding watchdog organization we have today.  It has been done so based on a wisdomatic approach to its particular 'self' as to how it will be a success and grow.  Simply put, TOW has created the reality that the WHOLE is greater than any of its PARTS.  And by so doing, TOW is never in a position to defend one of its own as TOW by far more benefits by being honest, in fact, watchdoggie to the max!  It simply adds to its credibility each time one of its own slips or slides.

Now let's consider the adverstisers.  Entities are advesrtising on TOW.  Certainly many of these are solid outfits around to stay.  In TOW's model, the "eye" on each advertiser is even GREATER!  So TOW represents a total reversal in trend as it relates to past "watchdog" sites which short sightedly protected their advertisers and revealed themselves to be shallow, self agendad organizations where the consumer they pretended to represent and protect was actually the blood doner of the vampire infested scenario. 

The new approach is here and now with TOW.   I sense Shrink will take the same path and certainly John is headed that way if not basically there.

We should all make efforts to develop ourselves as individuals... grow up a bit as individuals. 

We succeed in this regard and certainly our business will as well.  All the Best 777ROCK!

 

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   Posted 9/4/2005 10:34 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
great post merlyn!~
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   Posted 9/4/2005 5:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree with Kosar here. 777 might be the greatest book in history in the next year or 2. That's when they should have been considered for an ad up top, when they stand the test of time. Right now they're a new post up, that's it. Like Kosar said, stand up guys with deep pockets, safer than a bank, etc., etc. We've heard it before. Right now they're a 50/50 proposition, like all new post up shops are. That was not the model of what was supposed to be up top here, based on what I read when this forum opened. If there's a change in policy and TOW's ads up top will be the same as all the others, that's fine, but the change in policy should be acknowledged and noted.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 5:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Guesser,

I see your point an respect it, however 777 is NOT new. They began to operate as Bet Atlantic in the fall of 2003 (credit only). Truth is that they just opened up to post up, however the book has a pre existing customer base and has passed the test of time (2 years). This is why, IMHO, some of the most respected bookmakers in the industry vouch for them and tangibly express their endorsement by accepting book to book transfers.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 5:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Roberto:

I realize that they bailed out the old DimeBetting players, but is 777Rock currently vouching (financially) for DimeBetting, on an ongoing basis ? 


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   Posted 9/4/2005 5:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hali,

John Vega asked me to advertise here. I told him straight out that this can happen only if 777 sends me a confirmation that they fully stand behind him from a financial standpoint. This correspondence has taken place in the last hours and I have not received further information at this time.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 6:44 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I talked to quite a few people that I highly respect and theey spoke highly of them, I know for a FACT every big book knows them and they also will do transfers, I would think that means something.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 7:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Exactly, Guesser.

You guys crack me up. And who is this 'Merlyn' character?..lol...at the time of his post, I was the only one critical, so I guess he was talking to me when he spoke of 'agendas,' 'fear,' etc....lmfao

As Roxyguy might say, YOU ROCK~
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   Posted 9/4/2005 7:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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The Guesser,

I see your point an respect it, however 777 is NOT new. They began to operate as Bet Atlantic in the fall of 2003 (credit only). Truth is that they just opened up to post up, however the book has a pre existing customer base and has passed the test of time (2 years). This is why, IMHO, some of the most respected bookmakers in the industry vouch for them and tangibly express their endorsement by accepting book to book transfers.


They are new to the post up game, that's what I meant. We've seen very respected credit shops try their hand at post up. Sometimes they make it, sometimes they don't, and when/if they don't, they sudenly segregate the 2 sides, and say their thriving credt business isn't responsible for the post up failure.
I'm not putting 777 down in any way, but rather pointing out the seeming straying from the initial vision of the type of shops that would appear up top here.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 7:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The Guesser,

Honestly not. Example: we've had BCN up there for awhile. Yes they were brand new, but they (had) a separate audited players escrow. I cannot stress enough how the solvency factor plays into the way I rate books. This is what usually triggers the difference in ratings between TOW and SBR. I rate Sportingbet 8 (B) while SBR has it lower due to customer service issues. I agree they are not worthy of a 9, let alone a 10, but punters sending funds their way can rely on their solvency.

The information I have gathered on 777 induces me to believe the same.

I can tell you there is a number of books knocking at our doors every week, and we turn down most of them because of lack of information about their solvency.

In my (ideal) world players dispute should only be related to technical aspects, not to payout problems.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 9:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm receiving calls from these people weekly, they most be 100% legit, and then I last week a think saw on another site they donate some money to Katrina’s victims.
I don’t think they will have problems getting pay, if a win, any way I don’t gamble that much, I wonder if over there they will deal any soccer lines on road to the world cup.


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   Posted 9/4/2005 9:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Welcome to TOW Forum and good luck with your plays.

Please don't hesitate to share your experience on 777rock with our readers.
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   Posted 9/4/2005 9:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Funny shit. The good old 'been around on the credit side for 112 years and now getting into post-up' spiel.
That is pretty funny. Maybe they stayed in a Holiday Inn?
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Yes, that was funny. kosar is a darn good poster.
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