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Dr Black
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 2:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
saw their ad in the paper today. couldn't find a rating at offshore wire.
also, great work for Baus and congratulations to Nigel at wwts for (sort of) admitting he was wrong.
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i dont think im familiar with them. i wonder if they are under someones umbrella.....
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 3:45 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The name of the book says it all. If they are under any umbrella, it will probably be the scam one.

 

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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 4:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
what is their format?
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 5:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm currently investigating this "new shop".

According to the first background check the owner appears to have a low income and filed for chapter 7 in the mid 90s

Smells anything but good at this time.....
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 5:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
New shop???? They have been around since 1995! yeah

 

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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 5:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Domain Name: no-juice-sports.com



   
Administrative, Technical, Billing Contact:
         Wayne Parker  ([email protected])
        Wayne Parker
        2866 Bethesda Church Rd 
        Carrollton, GA  30117
        US
        +1.7708546591
       




   Record created on Jun 20 2005.
   Record expires on Jun 20 2007.
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 5:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
what does record created, record expires mean? any dealt with Wayne Parker before?
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 5:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It means that the domain name was first registered on June 20th 2005.
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 6:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
thanks. how does a book qualify for a rating? when the # of enquiries (complaints?) reaches a critical mass, or do some shops come to you and ask to be rated (seeking exposure I guess)?
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 6:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good question Dr. Black.

Its a combination of both. Some new or existing non rated shops tend to approach, others (primarily high risk ones) surface while managing disputes filed by players.

there are over 2,000 books in operation at this time. TOW has 132 rated books (with approximately 30 new ratings pending), SBR a bit over 400 rated books.

I usually prioritize ratings of rogue (high risk) operations, to ensure that players are aware of the risk.

With the 2005 of TOW Web site there will be an entire section dedicated to ratings criteria. There used to be one in the first release (April 04) but it was scratched in the second 04 release (November 04) since it was too basic and incomplete.
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 		    Posted 9/12/2005 7:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sounds excellent. with 2000 books out there, I'm sure there are a couple of hundred deadbeats. it would be wonderful if one rip off was enough to get TOW alerted. I'm encouraged that no one has flamed no-juice-sports.com yet . I'll let you know if I get mistreated.
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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 4:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well dandy work on the chapter 7 bankruptcy! It was in conjunction with a corporation bankruptcy in which i had power to
sign checks

.... but you guys got it all wrong on the rest.

I am the web guy for this Company. They are legit and indeed are new-- online that is. So far they have paid me well and on time.

You can check anytime with them and actually get a human to talk to. The number is 1- 866-4nojuice

As far as me, I also have reserved several other domain names for them. You may find a few hundred domains around with my handle on them.

If you check with the library of congress you can find an archived site on me from a congressional run in 2002.


The papers hashed out the bankruptcy pretty well so if you want to read boring politics check out the AJC from that period.
http://lcweb4.loc.gov/elect2002/catalog/1658.html Your scrutiny is nothing compared to undercover political operatives I assure you, I just want to set the record straight.

My website is www.waynerparker.com I have nothing to hide and neither do these guys.

Wayne "bizdoc" Parker
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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 4:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
what is their website?
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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 4:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
www.no-juice-sports.com

The no juice is legit.

Wayne "bizdoc" Parker

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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 5:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So, is bizdoc Parker legit ? Thanks in advance for any efforts to verify his claims.
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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 6:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I do web sites and marketing. I am not a backer or owner.

http://hosting.action-links.com
http://www.action-links.com
http://www.waynerparker.com

Wayne "bizdoc" Parker

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 		    Posted 9/30/2005 11:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
bizdoc,

I got a call today from the owner of www.no-juice-sports.com who explained to me the situation and your relationship with him.

I will visit the book during my next trip to Costa Rica in the coming few weeks.
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 		    Posted 10/1/2005 12:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bizdoc, "I do websites and marketing " is a tad disingenuous. Your reputation is involved if you market a website. If Bill Gates did the website and marketing it's one thing, if Robert Vesco did the work it's quite another. Doesn't hurt to find out your background before shipping money to nojuice.
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 		    Posted 10/1/2005 12:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes indeed my reputation is on the line! You may get recommendations from any of the companies I do work for. I hope to get more business as a result of this venture!

I installed a nice Mambo CMS at the website for these guys to handle the front end. I have integrated it with a back end by DGS. DGS software runs a lot of gambling sites. It is an off-the-shelf solution for them. The software has been out there for sometime and is trusted. I have checked it for vulnerabilities and security issues—so far so good.

I am an outsourced resource for several companies. I have marketed hemorrhoid creams, hair gels, bikini line aftershaves, to limousines and loans. I have been in the business for more than 10 years, as you can see by my resume.

You painted No Juice Sports with a broad stroke based on a little information about me. I have nothing to hide and will put my reputation out there as is. I hope the hemorrhoid cream was not tarnished by a side track in my finances ten years ago. The same for No Juice Sports.

Actually I believe they have come up with a brilliant marketing stratagem! To this extent I hope to share their success in my association with them.

I used to go to bars where the bartender occasionally bought me a drink. This is the idea here. The gaming industry is competitive. You have got to be nice to the customers. Try out one of their No Juice featured games.

As they say in cooking 101—The proof is in the pudding!

bizdoc

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 		    Posted 10/1/2005 2:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pleased to exchange salutations with you bizdoc. After all, we are both "docs".
I in no way intended to impune your reputation. I have no idea if you are Gates or Vesco. That's why I enquired on Sept. 12 about No Juice.
Since 9/12, I have dealt with your book and found it excellent. One minor suggestion. however, could you get the limit raised on the no-juice games ?
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 		    Posted 10/1/2005 7:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I give them a ring  no-juice   you know that only on some games you will get no-juice,,, why not on all? cool any way!!!   

 

 You wanna fuck with me? Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend*****booooom

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 		    Posted 10/3/2005 10:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dr Black,

I don't have anything to do with the actaual operation of the business. I do the software and talk about fonts and graphics, etc. They did not hire me to do any consulting or promotions

Wayne "bizdoc" Parker

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 		    Posted 10/3/2005 12:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
although it's kind of restricted (which is obvious by the way), it's still nice to let some money stay in your pocket...nothing special about the lines though shakehead
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 		    Posted 10/3/2005 1:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i like the idea. its nice to see some unique promos.
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