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 		    Posted 4/11/2005 11:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm always glad to read of players getting paid.
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 		    Posted 4/11/2005 10:31 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Seems as if people are being paid very rapidly right now

same day Netellers for a few dimes does not seem to be a problem
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 		    Posted 4/11/2005 10:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oldie,

I don't necessarily agree but respect your theory of "sweating the payout, not the game". Having said that I must say that what has recently surfaced about Royal is not classifiable as trash. When you have players on payment plans is not trash. When you disrespect employees is not trash ( you most adored saleswoman, now back in Curacao ) is still waiting for the last portion of her salary, when agents are being disrespected and owed 6 figures is not trash. However I do agree with you that Royal has made the mistake to overexpose themselves by aggressively marketing forum crowds.
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 		    Posted 4/11/2005 1:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Raiders,

I see no reason why Royal would like to comment on all the trash in forums..Infact that is all it is..TRASH!@ Sportsbook like Royal must learn that forums are no damn good for sportsbooks..You can have 1500 positive players playing at a sportsbook and some clown comes in and starts trashing about the book and damn..FORUMS ARE NO DAMN GOOD! Nothing comes good by sportsbooks posting in forums regardless....

all we need is bonus!

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 		    Posted 4/10/2005 5:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Agree with the posts by Cheva and Slash about Royal. I have no idea what will happen with them. The only thing that bothers me, which posters have alluded to , is the way Royal avoids answering questions that they do not like. They have a presence on the forums yet are very selective in what they and what they will not answer. Either ignore all questions or respond to questions asked respectively.
 
On Roberto's post
My aim is to have towforum a place where posters may comment on issues without having to fight with others because of their opinions. This doesn't mean I want people to make vanilla posts, rather to always think before they type and avoid hurting others feelings. said...
(replace this text with what was said)
I like this post and believe it's agreat idea by TOW. I know that TOW does not care what other sites do, but I would like to make this comparison. Some sites started off with great posters but then became a breading ground for scammers. When you have no respect for a site the posts become a joke. Disagreement is great and leads to productivity. I have already had posters disagree with my posts here but have taken none of this personally. I like the approach that TOW has taken.
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 3:27 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This is by far the most troubled book during the last two years (that is still operating!) Amasing what they have done in the past (both positive and negative) and now this - truely amasing! Glad I don´t have money there (although it was close the other day when they call and offered me 25% no limit and a 3 times roll over!)

Can´t wait to see what will happen next!
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 3:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There is no rationality in Royal's behaviors in these hours. They have funds, yet seem reluctant to do what any other honorable book would : pay the players.
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 3:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
EXCATLY!!

"The most generous attempt to save players funds in the history of the offshore industry"

Were we not "only" talking some minor slow pays?
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 3:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
By making such an announcement, Roberto also says that Royal Sports in on the verge of bankruptcy. If that's the case, how come it hasn't been mentioned?
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 2:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
4/4/2005 BREAKING NEWS : Royal Sports update
TOW has been approached by one of the most prominent and trusted offshore bookmakers ready to step to the plate of troubled Royal Sports. This individual is willing to immediately initiate a due diligence on the state of Royal Sports and eventually make a proposal to current ownership. TOW believes this bookmaker’s action is the most generous attempt to save players funds in the history of the offshore industry.
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 		    Posted 4/4/2005 2:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
From the TOW news wire April 3:

TOW is closely monitoring the unfolding of Royal Sports situation. We are awaiting reports from players who have been promised their tracking numbers for tomorrow, Monday April 4th 2005. To Royal credit some players have been offered alternative payout methods such as person to person. However such option is limited to $ 1,200.00 per day and fees are fully charged to players.
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 		    Posted 4/3/2005 2:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i'll say it again. only this time i will say it over here.

if your going to play with royal right now. use the SGA program and at least get your funds insured.
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 		    Posted 4/3/2005 9:09 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
slab,

I got banned while being an advertiser there. No biggie. Things may happen in life. Although I can understand that sometimes banning may become a need, specially when posters become disrespectful with others.

My aim is to have towforum a place where posters may comment on issues without having to fight with others because of their opinions. This doesn't mean I want people to make vanilla posts, rather to always think before they type and avoid hurting others feelings.

I believe posters are a great source of information for all other players because of their direct experience with sportsbooks. And this what drunkguy and I are committed to build here : a place where players may share their info in a friendly environment.
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 		    Posted 4/3/2005 1:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Halifax said...
slab said...
I got banned from Rx about a year and a half ago for taking their side in a dispute between Royal and poster InuitionBet. It got real ugly and Royal ASKED to have their banners taken down.
Banned for arguing with Intuition Bet ?  There must have been more to it than that.
There wasn't much more to it than that. I did say some smartass carcastic shit that they didn't like. They need to chill out.
 
People get banned for shit they say in the RR.
 
People get banned for shit they say in other forums.
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 		    Posted 4/3/2005 12:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
True we don't know the backgrounds of Sportsbook owners. But we do know the names of some prior sportsbook stiffs like Charlie Therwanger, Mark Del, Eddie Hadeed, Monty from Caribi, etc. If it was learned any of these stiffs were involved in a responsible financial position with any Book, even CRIS, Pinnacle, WSEX, etc, the blasts would be equally as loud as Royal's with Tej.
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 9:41 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
slab said...
I got banned from Rx about a year and a half ago for taking their side in a dispute between Royal and poster InuitionBet. It got real ugly and Royal ASKED to have their banners taken down.
Banned for arguing with Intuition Bet ?  There must have been more to it than that.
 
Intuition Bet was about as useless as tits on a bull.  There were several people there, including myself, who called him out every chance that we could, and I don't think any of us were ever banned.  Hell, I don't even think that McIrish liked him, and he probably would have been the guy doing the banning.
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 5:58 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well this is all a huge PR nightmare for Royal. They should just have answered the questions out front right at the start, instead of all these secret calls and manipulations...makes it look like they have something to hide.

Regarding if they are owned by a "known scam artist" or not, I think the real question people want answered is whether he can walk away with player's postup. I don't think most care if he has a financial interest in the book, but is he making management decisions, or call he pull out funding? Would he be able to screw players if he wanted to?

If Royal had post-up money escrowed this would be a non-issue. Sure some would not play with them on principal due to association with Tej. However, the majority of people are just worried about the safety of their money.

On ownership issue, sure there are other books owned by people with bad histories. This is not exactly a clean-collared profession. BUt it is the job of the "watchdogs" to make sure any of those issues are brought out to the open, so that players can be informed and make their own decision.
 
I have said from the start, if you are playing with Royal, take advantage of the SGA and OGD protection programs to mitigate your risk.
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 4:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
sheva, I didn't mean to compare the three, just came up with three names. The list could be endless....
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 4:43 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
TOW wrote: do you know the names of Pinnacle shareholders ? Or CRIS ? Or Playthescore ?

Why compare playthescore to pinny and cris? You probably just came up with three sportsbook without really thinking - I just find it funny that you name PTS along with Pinny and Cris thats all...
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 4:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
slab, allow me to say this : if I had been at the helm of Royal today I would have had no problem whatsoever in disclosing the name of the owners. I am not, and despite not agreeing with their decision to dodge the question, I shall say that they have the prerogative of doing so. Bottomline I agree with you on the disclosure, I may object on the "titles".
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 4:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
TOW said...

Yet it is their prerogative to decide if to officially disclose or not disclose the name of their owner.
I totally disagree with this. If the owner of abook is a scam artist then I would say players have a right to know.
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 4:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not arguing or saying what is right or wrong. I'm just saying that it is true that they are getting bashed in the forums for staying silent about their relationship with Tej. That's all. 
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Let me put it this way : as long as the book remains in good standing and pays they should have no problem in disclosing the name of their owner IMHO, cause as I said facts are more important than gossip, and players report receiving their payouts.

I also believe that the theory of the so called "ponzi scheme" doesn't apply to the fact that Royal is paying, since I honestly believe their current payouts exceed by far their current deposits.

Yet it is their prerogative to decide if to officially disclose or not disclose the name of their owner.
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 		    Posted 4/2/2005 3:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I personally like Royal. I got banned from Rx about a year and a half ago for taking their side in a dispute between Royal and poster InuitionBet. It got real ugly and Royal ASKED to have their banners taken down. But nontheless it is true that Royal is being bashed for staying silent about their involvement with Tej.
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Let me ask you this slab....do you know the names of Pinnacle shareholders ? Or CRIS ? Or Playthescore ? Royal's ownership has not been a secret to people "in the know", yet, all of the sudden, the mudslide begins. Is this guy a Nun ? Hell no. But trust me when I say he is in good company......a few names come to my mind, actually more than a few. And I say this thinking about sportsbooks that have a much higher rating than Royal does on The Offshore Wire.

I therefore believe that judgement should be based on current factual elements. Royal pays, not the fastest book for payouts, but pays.

Please don't read this as an endorsement, because its not. I rate Royal 6, and it is not a mystery that I advise players to play with books rated 8 or higher. But objectivity is required from time to time, and this is one of those times.
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