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   Posted 9/22/2005 11:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
These guys running the pro leagues HAVE to realize their ratings would be cut at least in half if it weren't for gambling. If you factor in office pools and things of that nature, it would be an even bigger drop of of fans and viewers.
 
If there were sportsbooks in every stadium, everyone would be getting paid. local governments would collect taxes and fees, team owners would get their chunk, and of course the companies running the books would be rolling in dough.
 
There is absolutely no negative side to this other than a bunch of pissed of mob guys who would lose billions in lost gambling revenue, and even they possibly wouldn't be effected that bad since a lot of people would stick to them since it's all credit....
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:09 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
As a pissed mob guy, I respectfully submit that you are missing the obvious. Billions of dollars decided on a ref's call. 95% free throw shooter missing two "meaningless" shots and the game stays under the spread. The leagues want to keep their image until they figure out a way to cash in on gambling.
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:16 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
lets face it though dr, those things are an issue regarless of the leagues accepting sports wagering. how does the possibility of a ref or player being bribed get affected by WHO is taking the wagers?

I understand it's an image thing, but i just don't see why anyone would feel their image would be tarnished by coming out and admiting that sports gambling is a GOOD thing.....
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:27 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
just like everything else in life it all boils down to politics. for every issue theres two sides to fight about it. =0
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:32 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
good point zed. sometimes i wonder if democrats and republicans just take sides on topics just to offset the support that the other group has gained....
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:45 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the Black Sox scandle set the relationship between pro sports ond gamblers back about 90 yrs. Look for a reconciliation in 2009. That's provided we have no more Paul Hornings or Pete Roses.
Remind me sometime to tell you why the K.C. Chiefs were taken off the board in Vegas back in the early 70's.
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:49 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i'd love to hear about that one.

i saw a special on sports gambling on hbo once where a guy claimed to have had a bunch of new york area athletes that owed him big money fucking with game outcomes.

he could have been full of shit, but it was pretty convincing....
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   Posted 9/23/2005 11:59 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dr Black said...
Remind me sometime to tell you why the K.C. Chiefs were taken off the board in Vegas back in the early 70's.
Can't wait to hear that one. Reminds me of the college basketball point-shaving stuff from the 90's.  The time that those random low-end conference matchups in CBB got so much action that Vegas took them off the board (and that's how they ended up being caught I reckon).
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   Posted 9/23/2005 12:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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i'd love to hear about that one.

i saw a special on sports gambling on hbo once where a guy claimed to have had a bunch of new york area athletes that owed him big money fucking with game outcomes.

he could have been full of shit, but it was pretty convincing....
 
I've got to believe there are at least some instances out there in the pros. Certainly college is easier to pull off.
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   Posted 9/24/2005 1:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Revolutions Per Minute, does the name Bob Martin ring a bell ? I'm talking 50's , 60's , 70's .
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   Posted 9/24/2005 2:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
how about a few years ago, Wisc at UNLV...the entire world was on Wisc...everyone and their mother, everyone that is except me and every book from here to kalamazoo...it was a night game and Wisc was favored by 2-3 touchdowns, and winning by about 7 tds....sometime in the 4th quarter the entire stadium miraculously lost power...minutes before the game was considerered action....funny no???
 
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   Posted 9/24/2005 2:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't remember that one. If true, it serves as a super example of why corporate America avoids gambling and sports tie-ins. Too many opportunities for scandal.
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   Posted 9/24/2005 2:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
dr,

no, don't know the name...
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   Posted 9/24/2005 3:21 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bob Martin is credited with "inventing" the pointspread. opened up the first book in Vegas, the Brown Derby. Eventually moved to Union Plaza.
Served time in prison for interstate gambling. Made the Vegas line years before Roxy Roxborough.
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   Posted 9/24/2005 11:56 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
so did this guy get busted for setting something up or what? =)
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   Posted 9/25/2005 2:14 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Bob was talking an the phone to every "big" book in the U.S. and Canada in the 60's and 70's. If Yks were 6/7 over Dodgers in the Series, he would hear from N.Y. guys laying off at -150 (they were charging their locals 160) and from L.A. guys laying off at +110 (they were loaded locally at even money).
The feds tapped his line and he spent time in the can. A matter of course in those days.
The main thing is, he was The Man and had outs in every major city. That's why he was the key figure in the K.C. games being taken off the board.
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