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pistol pete
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Posted 1/13/2025 9:23 PM (GMT -5) |
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Hello I have been checking out this site lately and am impressed with how quickly TOW settles players issues. I saw that TOW was able to collect funds from beted rather quickly and also read that TOW also has a close relationship with the sportingbet family which is why I decided to see if you guys could help. In August of 2005 my account was closed at Iwager and funds were confiscated. They accused me of chip dumping in their poker room with my brother who lives out of state who had refered me to the site. I took my issue to SBR and Bill Dozer. After a slow process we got in touch with IWagers manager raffi who posted on SBR promising to resolve the issue. Months went by and Iwager promised to show evidence of cheating yet none was very presented. The waiting game continued until it seems SBR gave up. Included is the link to the SBR thread and exactly what was said by myself Pistol Pete and IWager management. http://www.sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=770&highlight=iwager .
After SBR got involved Iwager did return my two of my deposits for $1000 but still are withholding $1850 of my winnings. It has now been almost 6 months, and I do realize that matters like these take time but I think anyone would agree this is a little much. Iwager blamed the problem on their 3rd party poker host boss media and even meantioned swithing providers because of these types of problems yet still would not pay me. I understand how a book can withhold money while an investigation is going on but after months, to never find evidence of cheating I deserve to be paid. TOW I would greatly appreciate any help you can bring to this matter. |
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TOW
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Posted 1/13/2025 9:42 PM (GMT -5) |
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magnavox
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Posted 1/13/2025 9:42 PM (GMT -5) |
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Is this Peter xxxxx? LOL
No real names posted ,unless the poster does it himself.
Thank you for understanding.
Post Edited By Moderator (Jerseymike) : 1/13/2025 10:13:41 PM (GMT-5)
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/13/2025 10:17 PM (GMT -5) |
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magnavox
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Posted 1/13/2025 10:25 PM (GMT -5) |
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| No, you don't, but thanks to your sister-in-law everyone here knows you. |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/13/2025 10:29 PM (GMT -5) |
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| Thats fine im not batman, not trying to hide my identity. |
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dave
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Posted 1/14/2025 12:38 AM (GMT -5) |
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what is chip dumping ? i dump alot of chips when i play poker  |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/14/2025 6:16 AM (GMT -5) |
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| chip dumping is a common problem in poker tournaments. Player will lose chips to another player to make them stronger in a tourny giving them a better chance to win. Now I would not have a problem if they accused me of that, the thing is i only played cash games and only 5-10 NL. For those of you not knowing about Iwagers poker it is very small and only about 20 people play at that high of a limit. They accused us of "chip dumping" b/c we played heads up 5-10NL, where a rake was taken. I do not understand how this was chip dumping and after months of investigation from SBR, Iwager could not provide proff of it either. This is the thing I do hate most about the offshore industry, is that in any issue you are guilty until proven innocent not the other way around. We players accept that b/c for the most part there is nothing we can do about it. Iwager was givin plenty of time with SBR to prove their claim and never did, so I think its only fair to settle this issue. |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/18/2025 12:17 AM (GMT -5) |
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| Just curious if you were able to make any contact with someone over at Iwager? |
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michael777
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Posted 1/18/2025 12:33 AM (GMT -5) |
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| iwager stiffed me out of 5,000 in december 2004 by cancelling a winning horse wager with no reason given,no it was not past post,stay away from all sportingbet family of sportsbooks,they are crooks |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/18/2025 3:24 AM (GMT -5) |
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| Like I said, thats what sucks about the offshore business, is that people like Mike and myself do not find sites like these until problems likes these happen. |
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TOW
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Posted 1/18/2025 6:18 AM (GMT -5) |
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pistol pete,
I am in touch with their security manager on your case. I shall have an update from them today or tomorror. Thanks. |
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marc
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Posted 1/18/2025 10:44 AM (GMT -5) |
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| Poker room managers are almost all thieves. If they think you cheated or chip dumped they will confiscate your funds. They almost always refuse to discuss the issue. They refuse to provide proff. It's shocking. I've seen places Like Will Hill pay some players who they felt were using multiple id's to get bonus money, but when it came to thier poker room, it was like "we think this guy dumped his chips, so we closed his account and took his money." The only way they would pay the player was if he sued them in court. THye wouldn't even agree to a licensed UK arbitrator. |
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jentude
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Posted 1/19/2025 12:07 PM (GMT -5) |
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marc
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Posted 1/19/2025 12:26 PM (GMT -5) |
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Pier0,
This isn't an issue about a gambling debt. The issue s whether a bookmkaer can simply choose not to pay a player. I can't imagine than ina country like UK, you can set up a poker room where at the end of the day, players who lsoe lose, but players who win can have thier money taken away, without just cause. It's fraud pure and simple.
If they have clear and convincing evidence that someone cheated, they should be willing to go an arbitrator. You don't need to be a poker expert. I highly doubt WIll Hill is staffed by poker experts. Any arbitrator should suffice.
WHat maes the behavior so outrageaous is that often times, these poker rooms aren't even claiming that the players tried to cheat other players, or the book itself. SOmetimes all the book sees is that for some reason, player A, dumped his chips to player B. There was no issue of bonuses, or credit card or bounced checks involved. Two players were using the poker room as a means of cheaply transferring money to one another. If the bok wan'ts to impose an administrative fee on the players, that i could understand. But when you use that as an excuse to close both players accounts, and take thier money, than thye are stealing. |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/19/2025 10:34 PM (GMT -5) |
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| Thanks for the update and all your help guys. |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/20/2025 6:23 PM (GMT -5) |
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| Jersey Mike is Iwagers security department still stalling on giving up the information? |
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pistol pete
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Posted 1/20/2025 7:44 PM (GMT -5) |
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| OK thanks alot mike for the update. I really appreciate all of your guys help |
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