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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 3:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
By the way I do play the game and well and have competed in many WSOP events.  A bluff is when you lead the action without a hand not calling.  Is there such a thing as a bluff call?  LOL
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King it's great to see that instead of doing what TOW said and actually proving beyond a doubt that we chip dumped you try to post like you did on sbr. It's been over 5 mths now and you still cant show why you won't pay him! When you were posting on sbr you gave yourself away right away when you said i will have the evidence in a few days to prove they did this, but since you had not already seen the evidence why assume we were guilty, when it could have just been the computer picking up on something that wasnt true? I will tell you why, because you are just trying to keep his money! We played on there for 3 weeks, everyday, for big money with each other, and with other people. There was no cheating, no chip dumping, no nothing. This whole situation is like security at a store saying someone was shoplifting, you take him to court and say, well my security dept says she was, and they say how do they know, welll, uh well, uh i will have the proof in a few days your honor! OK no I won't but i can post that he did LOL. Try that crap with DOZER, but don't do it here, because you are being called out on it here.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 7:46 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
King so your saying one hand that looks "suspicious" to you clearly shows that we were cheating? As i have said before I had no problem Iwager taking time to investigate but to have no proof after 5 months and take my money is theft. King why is it that once i prove something you were wrong about you decide to chose another topic? You have come on here and lost all credibility for yourself and Iwager and are making the entire sportingbet name look bad. You first say this issue was resolved cause the player was paid which was a lie, then claim only two players were banned from boss media which i proved again was another lie.

The king asks over and over why would someone pay the rake instead of playing free and settling up later, or why would he not raise here or call here. What your really saying is because I do not play like you I must be cheating.

Look the king fails to mention that both myself and my brother played almost all the time against other people and were rarely even on their poker site at the same time.

To answer the question that baffels the king so much why would we play a rake game and not free one and settle up later. Your answer: If my brother loses $500 at free tables that means he owes me $500, the problem is you dont get that money instantly. Maybe the king has never had someone owe him money where they take forever to pay them, but my brother is an ass when it come to that. So why would I want to play for free and wait a month or so to get paid when I can get the money I win instantly?

The king also ask why the player play this way. Since you a WSOP pro that plays alot im sure u can understand that you have to adjust your style of play to your competition. Commen sense again woulld tell you that since we are brother and know each other style of play, that playing heads up is more of a mind game where betting is key, not just following basic strategy.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 9:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The King,

I've been trying to understand what triggered the allegation of chip dumping without success. Nor I have been provided evidence in support of such allegation. I suggest you contact me via email at [email protected] to try to find a solution to this dispute.

Thank you.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 9:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Obviously I do not think that if someone plays differently from me they are cheating. I simply said that the hands in the examples look suspicious. Thats my opinion. Just out of curiosity when you called $110 with ace high against his trips what hand did you think you could beat or did you just have a feeling an ace was going to come on the river? and on the next hand when you had 4, 3 as starting hand do you always look to move all in with it ASAP. Secondly no lies at all When I said I would get the evidence I emailed Boss right away and asked for it thinking it woukld only take a day or two. They were very slow in responding. I had no control over that and even though I emailed them many times it took them longer then it should of. For that we do appologize. Once again I will remind you that once you go to the poker room and put money in front of you its in Boss's hands. To keep insisting that we kept your money is insane. We just make a small rake for every hand played period!  You and Susan were the only parties banned from Boss medias poker room (that had signed up with iWager) since we started using them over a year ago and we already know how stupid she looked with all her lies.
When you sign up as a white label to a poker network you are bound by their rules and their decisions. Boss made a decision and thats final. Also I will have to check but if I remember right you two had not played each other heads up before that day on Boss.
People can say whatever they want about Sportingbet but the fact is they are the biggest and best online gaming company in the world for a reason and thats why they win awards year after year
 
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 9:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

The King,

Lets start with what you site says:

From IWager Web site said...
Play Online Poker Right Now!

Now iWager can be your destination for online poker! You are moments away from playing the most exciting table game in the world.

Download the new poker software now and be playing in minutes! Built by poker players for poker players, our software fully integrates poker games with our sportsbook, casino, and racebook, offerings.

Click Here to get in the poker action at iWager.com!

World Wide Action

Our poker room attracts players from around the world. You can play low stakes for fun or high stakes for profit. Want more? Look for our regularly scheduled tournaments to add to your fun!

Now...you can't lure people to deposit to play in "Our poker room" and then, when a problem arises, dump it on the software provider, claiming that the player was actually playing with them and you only get a rake. Please.....spare me this.

If you want your thesis to stand you guys are legally liable for deceiving advertisement.

On the other it is not commercially or ethically acceptable to confiscate winnings based on assumptions. This sets an horrible precedent.

 How about if another bookmaker comes up and says "well, we accepted a 10K wager on a given even, however our software provider says that there might have been a glitch and the software may have recorded a past post bet as good. Based on this assumption we are voiding the player's winnings".

Lastly...yes, the company you work for has a lot of room for improvement. You may purchase awards. However real award winners are companies like BetCRIS, WSEX, Pinnacle Sports...to mention a few. None of these companies has ever seized players winnings on vague and deceptive rules. None of these companies  have ever endured serious security breaches that lead players to lose tens of thousands of dollars. And all these three companies do care about their customers, they NEVER tell them "Our management decision is final".

Feel free to contact me. I'll be waiting for your email.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 11:17 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So in order to play poker with i wager you not only have to play fair (understandable) but you also have to play your hands in accordance to what (this dxxxxxxx) "king" thinks is the proper way to play a hand. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!
 Their group of books has pulled shit similar to this over the years to "confiscate" (steal) bonuses, winnings etc...Then to add fuel to the fire the axxxxxx comes in here with some smug attitude about the whole situation.. F' him... They are nothing more then crooks....
 
IHCL,
 
Please avoid the use of offensive terms. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 1:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
TOW said...

The King,

Lets start with what you site says:

From IWager Web site said...
Play Online Poker Right Now!

Now iWager can be your destination for online poker! You are moments away from playing the most exciting table game in the world.

Download the new poker software now and be playing in minutes! Built by poker players for poker players, our software fully integrates poker games with our sportsbook, casino, and racebook, offerings.

Click Here to get in the poker action at iWager.com!

World Wide Action

Our poker room attracts players from around the world. You can play low stakes for fun or high stakes for profit. Want more? Look for our regularly scheduled tournaments to add to your fun!

Now...you can't lure people to deposit to play in "Our poker room" and then, when a problem arises, dump it on the software provider, claiming that the player was actually playing with them and you only get a rake. Please.....spare me this.

If you want your thesis to stand you guys are legally liable for deceiving advertisement.

On the other it is not commercially or ethically acceptable to confiscate winnings based on assumptions. This sets an horrible precedent.

 How about if another bookmaker comes up and says "well, we accepted a 10K wager on a given even, however our software provider says that there might have been a glitch and the software may have recorded a past post bet as good. Based on this assumption we are voiding the player's winnings".

Lastly...yes, the company you work for has a lot of room for improvement. You may purchase awards. However real award winners are companies like BetCRIS, WSEX, Pinnacle Sports...to mention a few. None of these companies has ever seized players winnings on vague and deceptive rules. None of these companies  have ever endured serious security breaches that lead players to lose tens of thousands of dollars. And all these three companies do care about their customers, they NEVER tell them "Our management decision is final".

Feel free to contact me. I'll be waiting for your email.

WELL SAID ROBERTO, now lets see if he's a stand up guy or not.
Personally i'll be betting on the latter......

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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 2:02 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

King I'm your pal listen to me for a second,pay this guy his $1800,your getting yourself in deeper and deeper.E-mail tow,let these guys post that your a stand up guy and are willing to work out problums,even your posting name is a bad choice  "the king"Pay the lousy $1800 and move on,,,,Don't you see that if you don't pay it will cost your co. hundreds of thousands.

Mike and the Mad Dog
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 3:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The King -

Your delusional denial and stubborn attitude will only smear your book. this does not look like a chip dumping scheme pay the guy do the right thing. hiding behind boss software glitch is what a loser would do. your book is bigger than that i hope.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 4:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Now I have heard it all. First of all if you guys are just going to start cursing and name calling I will not even bother replying. I will not be dragged down to your level. Now first of all the name The King relates to my surname if that makes any difference to anything. Secondly Aside from a few poker rooms out there they are all white labels. Go to Spin Palace or Bet Hold em or Bet 365 etc etc etc and see if they say play with our company even though we are just a white label and you will really be playing through the Prima poker network. It is not false advertising whatsoever. I am not hiding behind any computer glitch instead an investigation that was done by the poker room owner. (Also if I remember right there was not $1800 in winnings or even close) I will not pay just to make it go away as I believe we are in the right. If I did it would open the door to every cheat out there that would think he could get paid if he kicked up enough fuss.

 

Let me also just let you in on something for all of you that know nothing about running a sportsbook and think we are just sitting around getting rich and fat. We lose tens of thousands a month from players that try everything and anything to defraud the sportsbook. Everything from little things like playing both sides and keeping the bonuses to chargebacks and stolen credit cards. You don't see us starting forums bitching and complaining because we lost $42,000 last month from player cheats that lost their money and charge backed because they didnt want to pay.
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the king said...

Let me also just let you in on something for all of you that know nothing about running a sportsbook and think we are just sitting around getting rich and fat. We lose tens of thousands a month from players that try everything and anything to defraud the sportsbook. Everything from little things like playing both sides and keeping the bonuses to chargebacks and stolen credit cards. You don't see us starting forums bitching and complaining because we lost $42,000 last month from player cheats that lost their money and charge backed because they didnt want to pay.

  That somehow is justification for stealing this guys winnings????? freaked freaked freaked You want a less stressful business sell the book and open a coffee shop..The infinite parade of b.s excuses does not make the book you represent look any better...
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 5:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I can understand The King's frustrations. Having been behind the counter I've seen all sorts of things. Yet, when you seat in such uncomfortable position, you should always refrain to publicly share your frustrations. You may talk about them with fellow bookmakers. Hell, sometimes you get a good laugh or two when sharing an horror story with a fellow bookmaker.

I've been corresponding with The King today and I believe we are beginning to see things in the right perspective.
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 		    Posted 1/28/2025 5:57 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
King if it so tough being an owner then why operate a sportsbook? NO one here is saying cheats dont happen, we are simply asking you to be a reasonable owner. I have said this over and over again I understand if you think something is suspicious you do have the right to investigate it, but when you do not find the proof and it has been over 6 months now, would you not agree that it is only fair to pay the player.

We all can understand that running a book can be very difficult but please look at this situation from the other stand point.
Don't you think the player deserves the same fairness? It seems because you have been burned before by players cheating you will not even consider that fact that I wasen't.

Basic business management will tell you that it is twice as hard to gain a new customer then retain one. If this incident had never happened I can promise you I would still be playing at IWager today. You lost two player because unwillingness to even listen to the facts about the issue.

I think that since this situation started I have been reasonable and respectful to you guys esp considering what im going through. All I ask is you do the same to me. If you showed the players (which are you source of income) the same respect you want your profits would soar. Please be a reasonable person and not let people who have cheated you in the past distort your view on issues.

I do understand that boss was your 3rd party provider but if you tag our company name with them that makes you responsible. If I go to Wal-Mart and buy a sony tv, get it home and it does not work, I return it to Wal-mart, they do not say "it is a sony tv so you deal with them."

As i said all im asking is we talk about this civil and you will see that while you guys were so worried about being cheated, you inadvertantly cheated a fair player.
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 		    Posted 1/30/2025 9:09 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Anything new on this TOW?
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 		    Posted 1/30/2025 9:12 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jentude,

As I said I enjoyed corresponding with the king a couple of days ago and I'm awaiting on him to come back with a reply.
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 		    Posted 2/1/2025 8:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
the king,

Just to be on the same page....this is not going away until its final solution.
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Thanks for keeping up on this TOW, you guys do some fantastic work down there!
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 		    Posted 2/1/2025 1:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This family of books is a real pain in the ass. It looks like everyone acts like a real prick there.
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Great to hear TOW. I really appreciate the constant help from you guys. You do not know how happy I am to hear you say that because this is the same thing he did with Bill Dozer, came on typed little bit then never heard from him again.

You truly do not understand how nice it is to have atleast someone in your coner when situations like this happen and the player is left helpless. I can not tell you enough how greatful I am for your help.
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 		    Posted 2/9/2025 9:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
TOW has there been any word from the king on this? I might be wrong but it seems like he is doing the same thing he did at SBR. He came on all fired up and then disappears hoping everyone forgets about the issue.
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pistol pete...rest assured we have a VERY good memory here.
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