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raiders72001
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 5:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Although I wasn't paid, I was once a moderator at a site where a book went under. Fortunately almost all or all players were paid thanks in large to Roberto's efforts. Of course I felt responsible because I pushed the book.

What about moderators that are paid and know that a book has a history of slow pays, no pays or a realistic chance of going under in the future? Is it unethical for these mods to work at a site such as this or is it the full responsibility of the owner of the site.

Many shady books and books that have gone under are advertising at other sites such as the RX. What do you think of the mods working there under these circumstances?
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 5:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
raiders, you know the way i felt about that betpanam B.S. i felt terrible, thats why when somebody asks me personaly about a book to recomend to them, i recomend pinny.

a good capper is only as good as his info.

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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 5:33 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I feel the same was as you about PTS although not about PanAM because we had the secure program. Also I'm not trying to point anyone out, just making a generalization.
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 5:34 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i know what your saying raiders, same type of thing in principal though.

a good capper is only as good as his info.

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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 6:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i think it really depends on how "inside" the moderator is....
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 10:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good question Raiders.

It basically depends on the level of involvement with the site's management. I believe most mods are not directly in the loop and therefore it would be wrong to hold them accountable for the site's owner decision.

That being said there's an easy solution to the problem. Focus on quality books only. Each and every site should set greed and desire of easy money aside and promote good books only. Might not generate a good revenue at start, but would definitely end up being a rewarding stance in the medium/long term.

In another thread some have argued about sites struggling to survive and therefore in need of cash, regardless of the quality of their advertisers.

In my opinion if the site owner doesn't have the cash to support its business model for 12/18 months he/she is better off in not opening a Web site.

Like any other business, a start up requires initial investments that will be offset after 18/24 months. Unlike other businesses people can make good money since inception, with the difference that in order to do so they will quickly lose their reputation and cause losses to their customers/posters/readers.

Bottomline quality always pays in the long run.
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 6:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Unethical no. That would be like saying an options trader is unethical because there is a lot more risk then a guy trading blue chip stocks. RISK/REWARD so few seem to remember this when a small book goes under.
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 6:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
jwunderdog,

people get pissed when books go under. simple as that. cant say i blame them but your post is 100% correct. i think i tell someone at least once a day that it is always RISK VS. REWARD!
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 		    Posted 8/28/2005 6:33 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If the mod is pushing the book continuosly, likely because they are being paid by that book directly, then yes. If it's just a book on a site that goes down, it shouldn't be held against the mod.
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 		    Posted 8/29/2005 10:18 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Players have made a lot of $ on the risky books, Take a look at PTS with the reduced juice, there were plenty of scalpers and sharps that hit them and ran. Without going beyond the top 10 books with almost all the same lines it is very hard to gain a big edge.
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 		    Posted 8/29/2005 10:19 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
RISK VS. REWARD
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 		    Posted 8/29/2005 1:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Its tough because I am sure that the moderators are hoping the book pulls through but if you know something its best to be honest and let the players know. If you don't your integrety is at stake.
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 		    Posted 8/29/2005 3:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also believe 99% of the Mods Just Moderate the forums , greet newbies help the forum flow , help with contests at times .
I know in my case that is exactly it...and has been for over 3 yrs...I would not want it any other way...
 
 
 
 
but i think 99% of the mods have absolutly nothing to do with books that come on...and I agree with others in this thread that if a Mod pushes a new book or shady book constantly  he/she might be somewhat responsible for it as they have influenced posters to sign up
 
 
Just my 2 cents

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