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   Posted 10/11/2005 7:06 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i always look at the facial expressions and the figidng of chips.
 
 


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   Posted 10/11/2005 12:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
interesting you bring that up, I wonder if these pro players hate the fact that there play is filmed and tells can be broken down on film.

for me it's different in limit versus no limit, I look for hesitation and the length of time to respond to bet.
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   Posted 10/11/2005 1:01 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
i think a lot of people give info away with their eyes. i always watch for reactions and the look in the eyes of people when they first look at their cards...
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   Posted 10/11/2005 2:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
not if these jokers have shades on
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   Posted 10/11/2005 6:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
there are 2 dozen different kinds of tells...from eyes to mouth, to hands to posture and even speech pattern..
 
The trick to getting tells is watching the player.  A tell may not help within the 1st hour, it's the time logged on the table, and seeing how reliable the tell is that makes a tell work.
Also, against a better player, they try to send "fake" tells, so you must read into many different things...the basic rule of thumb is that marks want the opposite of their action...strong means weak, weak means strong....but with the better players, sometimes strong means strong....I've taken much more money off a table by being honest with the players, I had a nut straight, and another player was worried I had 2 pair, I reasured him I did NOT have 2 pair, he immediately raised, and I put him all in...but it depends on your table lineup.  since lineups in a casino are constantly revolving, you must ALWAYS be paying attention...even when not in the hand....
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   Posted 10/11/2005 6:17 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And code, to your question....the pros HATE that they have to show all their hole cards on featured tables, and yes it IS a major advantage to us the unknown player...I played with Hoyt Corkins in a tournament, and caught something I saw him do on TV in the Foxwoods tourney, so I reraised him all in, he laid the hand down...I had 9-5 off suit, but knew by his actions that he had nothing either...
 
I seem to recall that Eric Seidel had issues with the hole camera for a year or 2, and even had to get into it with tv producers b/c he wouldn't allow the camera to see his hole cards in a tournament once!!!!
 
 
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